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Talk:IfMud Nomic 2

2012-02-26T03:57:18Z

Baf:

I hereby clearly and unambiguously announce that I am leaving the game, effective immediately. [[User:MatthewMurray|MatthewMurray]] 10:11, 24 January 2012 (PST)

Let me state my ongoing and permanent agreement to bring in any player to the game where bringing that player in lacks only my agreement. --[[Vimes|vimes]] 13:00, 24 January 2012 (PST)

Can I play? --[[User:Olethros|Olethros]] 11:26, 24 January 2012 (PST)

I would like to become a player. Also perhaps define that "Roger" and "RogerC" shall both refer to the same player. --[[User:RogerC|RogerC]] 10:13, 2 February 2012 (PST)

I'm afraid I'm going to have to bow out. Thanks and apologies. --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 09:11, 25 February 2012 (PST)

I'm interested in playing, but work is taking over my life until mid-March. Fortunately, things are currently set up so that active participation on the part of all players is not necessary! Active participation on the part of a supermajority is, however, and it looks like we're having problems with that. --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 19:57, 25 February 2012 (PST)

Nomic 2/Proposals/Pruning the Garden

2012-02-10T21:00:07Z

Baf: /* Voting */

== Proposal ==
New Rule:

If more than one third of the players are in disapproval of a proposal at the same time, any player may declare that proposal "dead" by editing its wiki page to indicate this status under a "Proposal Status" heading on the proposal's wiki page.

* At the moment a proposal becomes dead, all players are considered to immediately vote against it (regardless of how they may have previously voted regarding the proposal).
* Any new players added to the game are considered to immediately vote against all dead proposals.
* If, by any means, a player votes in favor of a dead proposal, that player is considered to immediately change their vote to be against it.
* If a proposal is dead, no player is permitted to edit its wiki page in such a way that would make it appear not to be dead.

''Although they did lend a certain festive air to this year's Dia de los Muertos celebrations, some of the city's residents felt that lining the streets with exhumed corpses did pose a slight impediment to traffic.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:17, 26 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I originally included the "(not counting time elapsed before the adoption of this rule)" bit because I didn't want proposals to become having already been retroactively dead as soon as this passed, but if a player has to actively declare a proposal dead, I guess it's unnecessary. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 13:47, 27 January 2012 (PST)

Seems like this is kind of in conflict with the Supremajority rule, under which having a player in disapproval of a rule for four days straight isn't really an obstacle to passing it. [[User:Baf|Baf]] 17:59, 31 January 2012 (PST)

What if instead it required more than one third of the players to be against it? I'm mainly just interested in clearing out some of the old proposals that are cluttering the list that will probably never pass. (Edited the proposal, since no one but I has voted on it yet.) --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 05:08, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye
* Roger: Aye, I can support the method and madness here.
* vimes: Aye.
* maga: Aye.
* Baf: Aye.

== Proposal Status ==
Open for voting.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Oath of Vengeance

2012-02-10T02:27:40Z

Baf: /* Voting */

== Proposal ==
New Rule:

Whenever a Proposal is declared "dead", the Anger stat of any player who was "in approval" of it at the time is increased by 1.

''"My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:42, 9 February 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
It probably won't be an issue, but we should probably be careful to pass Pruning before this. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:42, 9 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye
* Baf: Aye

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Busy Shopping

2012-02-09T20:18:00Z

Baf: /* Voting */

== Proposal ==
Enact a new rule:

* Whenever a proposal is ratified or passes, including this one, the Hat Quality stat of all players who were neither in approval or in disapproval of that proposal at the time it passed is increased by 1.

''"Why ''is'' a raven like a writing desk?"''

== Proposed by ==
--[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:02, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

== Voting ==

* Roger: Aye, I like hats.
* Jota: Nay. I can't in good conscience vote in favor of a rule that discourages voting, alas.
* Nay.
* Baf: Nay. I like the way that, under the current rules, any participation is rewarded with stat increases. Non-participation should not be similarly rewarded.

== Proposal Status ==
Begin mercury-poisoning-induced voting!

Nomic 2/Rules/Stats

2012-02-09T02:05:00Z

Baf:

== Stats ==

{| border="1" align="center" style="text-align:center;"
! !!Experience!!Hat Quality!!Anger!!Sobriety
|-
!Jota
|5
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Baf
|5
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Doug
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!vimes
|4
|0
|0
|0
|-
!maga
|4
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Olethros
|5
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Fang
|2
|0
|1
|0
|-
!Roger
|3
|0
|0
|0
|}

== Stat-Changing Action Record ==

*Rule 16 (Good Job!) ratification granted 1 Experience to Jota, maga, Olethros, baf, vimes. --[[Vimes|vimes]] 10:23, 1 February 2012 (PST)
*Fang added to stats page. --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 13:18, 1 February 2012 (PST)
*Roger added to stats page. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:33, 5 February 2012 (PST)
*Awarded points to Jota, Baf, maga, Doug, olethros and Fang for the passage of Roger That.
*Awarded points to Fang, Jota, Baf, Roger, vimes and olethros for An Omen and to Baf, Roger, Jota, vimes, olethros and maga for Minimum Value. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:11, 7 February 2012 (PST)
*Awarded points to Baf, Jota, vimes, Roger, olethros, and maga for They'll Regret This. Awarded a point to Fang despite it. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:47, 7 February 2012 (PST)
*Fixed mistaken placement of Fang's anger.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Sober Occasions

2012-02-07T00:39:07Z

Baf: /* Proposal Status */

== Proposal ==
New rule:

Any player may, at most once per day, increase their Sobriety by one when they participate in a "sober occasion" in real life. Sober occasions include: church services, court proceedings, funerals, final exams, and any sort of test required for a government-issued license.

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:26, 2 February 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

== Voting ==
* Fang: Nay. I really don't want to make this game an ARG, and this would be unfair to players with lifestyles lacking in sobriety...

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting votes

Nomic 2/Proposals

2012-02-07T00:38:46Z

Baf:

==Tentative Proposals and Tentative Proposals==
* [[/What Can A Proposal Do Really]] ([[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:01, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/What's Good For The Goose]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:46, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Nine Billion Names of Nomic]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 12:50, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Quoric Rule]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 12:50, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/Demiquora]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:00, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/For Everything There Is A Season]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:26, 1 February 2012 (PST)

==Proposals==

* [[/Voting Brevity]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:39, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Agents of Empire Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:45, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Standing Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:23, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/No Cheating]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:37, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Doug Wins]] --[[User:Doug|Doug]] 12:47, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Is This Your Card?]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:53, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pruning the Garden]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:33, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Enh, Good Enough]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:47, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/An Omen]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 13:21, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/They'll Regret This]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:21, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Busy Shopping]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 15:59, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/Minimum Value]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 16:55, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:06, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Sober Occasions]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:19, 2 February 2012 (PST)

== Ratified Proposals ==

* [[/Station Identification]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 11:24, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Revolving Door]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/What The Heck Is A Proposal Anyway]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:09, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Clarity Rule]] [[User:Maga|Maga]] 15:30, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Barbarians at the Gates]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:11, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Supermajority Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:28, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pork Belly Politics]] --[[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 10:18, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Basic Voting Procedure]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 12:36, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/All Hands On Deck]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Stats]] --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 16:43, 23 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Flavour Text]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Unlock the Revolving Doors]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:28, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Good Job!]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:58, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Roger That]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:16, 2 February 2012 (PST)

== Pointless Proposals ==

* [[/The Honest Politician Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:51, 20 January 2012 (PST) (What The Heck made this redundant)

== See Also ==
[[Nomic_2/Rules]]

Nomic 2/Proposals/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions

2012-02-03T18:25:46Z

Baf: /* Proposal Status */

== Proposal ==

Any player may, at will, increase their Experience and decrease their Sobriety by the same amount. The amount must be a positive integer not greater than their current Sobriety.

''We had learned many things from the tomes of wisdom in our marble halls, but not how to escape an aggrieved constable.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I like it. But technically, Flavour Text passed before this was proposed, so I believe it needs some flavor text added to it to be valid. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 05:11, 1 February 2012 (PST)

Flavor text added. --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 13:03, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting votes

Nomic 2/Proposals

2012-02-03T18:25:10Z

Baf:

==Tentative Proposals and Tentative Proposals==
* [[/What Can A Proposal Do Really]] ([[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:01, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/What's Good For The Goose]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:46, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Nine Billion Names of Nomic]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 12:50, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Quoric Rule]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 12:50, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/Demiquora]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:00, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/For Everything There Is A Season]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:26, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/Sober Occasions]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:19, 2 February 2012 (PST)

==Proposals==

* [[/Voting Brevity]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:39, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Agents of Empire Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:45, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Standing Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:23, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/No Cheating]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:37, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Doug Wins]] --[[User:Doug|Doug]] 12:47, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Is This Your Card?]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:53, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pruning the Garden]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:33, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Enh, Good Enough]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:47, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/An Omen]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 13:21, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/They'll Regret This]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:21, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Busy Shopping]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 15:59, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/Minimum Value]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 16:55, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Roger That]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:16, 2 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:06, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Ratified Proposals ==

* [[/Station Identification]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 11:24, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Revolving Door]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/What The Heck Is A Proposal Anyway]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:09, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Clarity Rule]] [[User:Maga|Maga]] 15:30, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Barbarians at the Gates]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:11, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Supermajority Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:28, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pork Belly Politics]] --[[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 10:18, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Basic Voting Procedure]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 12:36, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/All Hands On Deck]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Stats]] --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 16:43, 23 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Flavour Text]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Unlock the Revolving Doors]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:28, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Good Job!]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:58, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Pointless Proposals ==

* [[/The Honest Politician Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:51, 20 January 2012 (PST) (What The Heck made this redundant)

== See Also ==
[[Nomic_2/Rules]]

Nomic 2/Proposals/Sober Occasions

2012-02-03T02:26:48Z

Baf: Created page with "== Proposal == New rule: Any player may, at most once per day, increase their Sobriety by one when they participate in a "sober occasion" in real life. Sober occasions include: ..."

Nomic 2/Proposals

2012-02-03T02:19:07Z

Baf: /* Tentative Proposals and Tentative Proposals */

==Tentative Proposals and Tentative Proposals==
* [[/What Can A Proposal Do Really]] ([[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:01, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/What's Good For The Goose]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:46, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:06, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Nine Billion Names of Nomic]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 12:50, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Quoric Rule]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 12:50, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/Demiquora]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:00, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/For Everything There Is A Season]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:26, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/Sober Occasions]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:19, 2 February 2012 (PST)

==Proposals==

* [[/Voting Brevity]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:39, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Agents of Empire Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:45, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Standing Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:23, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/No Cheating]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:37, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Doug Wins]] --[[User:Doug|Doug]] 12:47, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Is This Your Card?]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:53, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pruning the Garden]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:33, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Enh, Good Enough]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:47, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/An Omen]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 13:21, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/They'll Regret This]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:21, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Busy Shopping]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 15:59, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/Minimum Value]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 16:55, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Roger That]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:16, 2 February 2012 (PST)

== Ratified Proposals ==

* [[/Station Identification]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 11:24, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Revolving Door]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/What The Heck Is A Proposal Anyway]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:09, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Clarity Rule]] [[User:Maga|Maga]] 15:30, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Barbarians at the Gates]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:11, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Supermajority Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:28, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pork Belly Politics]] --[[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 10:18, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Basic Voting Procedure]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 12:36, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/All Hands On Deck]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Stats]] --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 16:43, 23 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Flavour Text]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Unlock the Revolving Doors]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:28, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Good Job!]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:58, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Pointless Proposals ==

* [[/The Honest Politician Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:51, 20 January 2012 (PST) (What The Heck made this redundant)

== See Also ==
[[Nomic_2/Rules]]

Nomic 2/Proposals/Roger That

2012-02-02T18:21:49Z

Baf: /* Voting */

== Proposal ==
That Roger be added as a player and that "RogerC" be considered synonymous with "Roger" when referring to said player.

''It is prophesied that King Roger shall die the moment a male heir is conceived, and that he'll be reincarnated as his own son, King Roger II. And thus onward for a hundred generations.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:16, 2 February 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I removed the "Baf: Aye" line because, until I'd added the flavour text, this wasn't a real proposal. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:21, 2 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye
* Baf: Aye

== Proposal Status ==
Open for votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Roger That

2012-02-02T18:19:01Z

Baf: /* Voting */

== Proposal ==
That Roger be added as a player and that "RogerC" be considered synonymous with "Roger" when referring to said player.

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:16, 2 February 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye
* Baf: Aye

== Proposal Status ==
Open for votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals

2012-02-02T18:09:59Z

Baf:

==Tentative Proposals and Tentative Proposals==
* [[/What Can A Proposal Do Really]] ([[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:01, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/What's Good For The Goose]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:46, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:06, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Nine Billion Names of Nomic]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 12:50, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Quoric Rule]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 12:50, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/Demiquora]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:00, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/For Everything There Is A Season]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:26, 1 February 2012 (PST)

==Proposals==

* [[/Voting Brevity]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:39, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Agents of Empire Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:45, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Standing Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:23, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/No Cheating]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:37, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Doug Wins]] --[[User:Doug|Doug]] 12:47, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Is This Your Card?]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:53, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pruning the Garden]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:33, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Enh, Good Enough]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:47, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/An Omen]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 13:21, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/They'll Regret This]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:21, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Busy Shopping]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 15:59, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/Minimum Value]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 16:55, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Ratified Proposals ==

* [[/Station Identification]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 11:24, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Revolving Door]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/What The Heck Is A Proposal Anyway]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:09, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Clarity Rule]] [[User:Maga|Maga]] 15:30, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Barbarians at the Gates]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:11, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Supermajority Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:28, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pork Belly Politics]] --[[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 10:18, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Basic Voting Procedure]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 12:36, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/All Hands On Deck]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Stats]] --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 16:43, 23 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Flavour Text]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Unlock the Revolving Doors]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:28, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Good Job!]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:58, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Pointless Proposals ==

* [[/The Honest Politician Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:51, 20 January 2012 (PST) (What The Heck made this redundant)

== See Also ==
[[Nomic_2/Rules]]

Nomic 2/Proposals/Minimum Value

2012-02-02T18:09:31Z

Baf: /* Proposal */

== Proposal ==
Enact a rule:

Any stat may have a minimum value. By default, the minimum value of every stat is 0. If anything would decrease a stat for a player to less than the stat's minimum value, then that stat for that player will instead become the minimum value, unless a rule specifically makes an exception to this rule, citing it by name.

''I was wearing the worst hat in the world, but I didn't care much, because I couldn't be less sober.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 17:04, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I see no obvious objection to this. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:10, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting comments.

Nomic 2/Proposals/An Omen

2012-02-02T18:07:56Z

Baf: /* Voting */

== Proposal ==
New Rule:

The Adversary exists. The Adversary can be awake, stirring, or soundly asleep. If the Adversary awakens, the game ends immediately and all players lose. The Adversary is initially soundly asleep.

''The local prophet was found one day, insane with terror. Few heeded his ravings.''

== Proposed by ==
Fang

== Comments ==

I'd recommend doing this in a similar way to the Stats page - that is, don't make the adversary's sleeping status a part of the rule, but define that he can be awake or asleep, where to track such things, and that he starts out asleep. --[[Vimes|vimes]] 15:58, 1 February 2012 (PST)

I'm not sure if we need to specifically define a sleep-tracking page in the rules (although I'm not strictly against it), but I agree with the "define that he can be awake or asleep" and "that he starts out asleep" parts. If we ''do'' define such a page, we might want to consider making it a "miscellaneous game status stuff" kind of page where any such one-off bits of info can be tracked. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:40, 1 February 2012 (PST)

Good point - his sleeping state could simply exist, much like the rules do. --[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:42, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye.
* Baf: Aye

== Proposal Status ==

Nomic 2/Proposals/They'll Regret This

2012-02-01T22:57:18Z

Baf: /* Proposal Status */

== Proposal ==
New rule:

Whenever a Proposal passes (including this one), the Anger stat of any player who was "in disapproval" of it at the time is increased by 1.

''When the Anti-Crumbists signed the Crumbist Limitation Act into law, they thought they had triumphed. They did not count on the depths of Crumbist rage.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

This is essentially a companion to Good Job! [[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

I like it. But technically, Flavour Text passed before this was proposed, so I believe it needs some flavor text added to it to be valid. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 05:11, 1 February 2012 (PST)

Flavor text added. --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 13:07, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals

2012-02-01T22:56:57Z

Baf:

==Tentative Proposals and Tentative Proposals==
* [[/What Can A Proposal Do Really]] ([[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:01, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/What's Good For The Goose]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:46, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Minimum Value]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 16:55, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:06, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Nine Billion Names of Nomic]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 12:50, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Quoric Rule]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 12:50, 1 February 2012 (PST)

==Proposals==

* [[/Voting Brevity]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:39, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Agents of Empire Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:45, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Standing Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:23, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/No Cheating]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:37, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Doug Wins]] --[[User:Doug|Doug]] 12:47, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Is This Your Card?]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:53, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pruning the Garden]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:33, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Enh, Good Enough]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:47, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/An Omen]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 13:21, 1 February 2012 (PST)
* [[/They'll Regret This]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:21, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Ratified Proposals ==

* [[/Station Identification]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 11:24, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Revolving Door]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/What The Heck Is A Proposal Anyway]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:09, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Clarity Rule]] [[User:Maga|Maga]] 15:30, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Barbarians at the Gates]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:11, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Supermajority Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:28, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pork Belly Politics]] --[[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 10:18, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Basic Voting Procedure]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 12:36, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/All Hands On Deck]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Stats]] --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 16:43, 23 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Flavour Text]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Unlock the Revolving Doors]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:28, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Good Job!]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:58, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Pointless Proposals ==

* [[/The Honest Politician Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:51, 20 January 2012 (PST) (What The Heck made this redundant)

== See Also ==
[[Nomic_2/Rules]]

Nomic 2/Rules/Stats

2012-02-01T21:18:35Z

Baf: /* Stat-Changing Action Record */

== Stats ==

{| border="1" align="center" style="text-align:center;"
! !!Experience!!Hat Quality!!Anger!!Sobriety
|-
!Jota
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Baf
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Doug
|0
|0
|0
|0
|-
!vimes
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!maga
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Olethros
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Fang
|0
|0
|0
|0
|}

== Stat-Changing Action Record ==

*Rule 16 (Good Job!) ratification granted 1 Experience to Jota, maga, Olethros, baf, vimes. --[[Vimes|vimes]] 10:23, 1 February 2012 (PST)
*Fang added to stats page. --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 13:18, 1 February 2012 (PST)

Nomic 2/Rules/Stats

2012-02-01T21:18:16Z

Baf: /* Stat-Changing Action Record */

== Stats ==

{| border="1" align="center" style="text-align:center;"
! !!Experience!!Hat Quality!!Anger!!Sobriety
|-
!Jota
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Baf
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Doug
|0
|0
|0
|0
|-
!vimes
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!maga
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Olethros
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Fang
|0
|0
|0
|0
|}

== Stat-Changing Action Record ==

Rule 16 (Good Job!) ratification granted 1 Experience to Jota, maga, Olethros, baf, vimes. --[[Vimes|vimes]] 10:23, 1 February 2012 (PST)
Fang added to stats page. --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 13:18, 1 February 2012 (PST)

Nomic 2/Rules/Stats

2012-02-01T21:16:29Z

Baf: /* Stats */

== Stats ==

{| border="1" align="center" style="text-align:center;"
! !!Experience!!Hat Quality!!Anger!!Sobriety
|-
!Jota
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Baf
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Doug
|0
|0
|0
|0
|-
!vimes
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!maga
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Olethros
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Fang
|0
|0
|0
|0
|}

== Stat-Changing Action Record ==

Rule 16 (Good Job!) ratification granted 1 Experience to Jota, maga, Olethros, baf, vimes. --[[Vimes|vimes]] 10:23, 1 February 2012 (PST)

Nomic 2/Rules/Stats

2012-02-01T21:16:14Z

Baf: /* Stats */

== Stats ==

{| border="1" align="center" style="text-align:center;"
! !!Experience!!Hat Quality!!Anger!!Sobriety
|-
!Jota
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Baf
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Doug
|0
|0
|0
|0
|-
!vimes
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!maga
|1
|0
|0
|0
|-
!Olethros
|1
|0
|0
|0
!Fang
|0
|0
|0
|0
|}

== Stat-Changing Action Record ==

Rule 16 (Good Job!) ratification granted 1 Experience to Jota, maga, Olethros, baf, vimes. --[[Vimes|vimes]] 10:23, 1 February 2012 (PST)

Nomic 2/Proposals/They'll Regret This

2012-02-01T21:07:30Z

Baf: /* Comments */

Nomic 2/Proposals/They'll Regret This

2012-02-01T21:07:09Z

Baf: /* Proposal */

== Proposal ==
New rule:

Whenever a Proposal passes (including this one), the Anger stat of any player who was "in disapproval" of it at the time is increased by 1.

''When the Anti-Crumbists signed the Crumbist Limitation Act into law, they thought they had triumphed. They did not count on the depths of Crumbist rage.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

This is essentially a companion to Good Job! [[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

I like it. But technically, Flavour Text passed before this was proposed, so I believe it needs some flavor text added to it to be valid. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 05:11, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting comments.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions

2012-02-01T21:03:26Z

Baf: /* Comments */

Nomic 2/Proposals/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions

2012-02-01T21:03:07Z

Baf: /* Proposal */

== Proposal ==

Any player may, at will, increase their Experience and decrease their Sobriety by the same amount. The amount must be a positive integer not greater than their current Sobriety.

''We had learned many things from the tomes of wisdom in our marble halls, but not how to escape an aggrieved constable.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I like it. But technically, Flavour Text passed before this was proposed, so I believe it needs some flavor text added to it to be valid. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 05:11, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
I would change this to "not greater than their current Sobriety and greater than 0."

Nomic 2/Proposals/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions

2012-02-01T21:00:42Z

Baf: /* Proposal */

== Proposal ==

Any player may, at will, increase their Experience and decrease their Sobriety by the same amount, which may not greater than their current Sobriety.

''We had learned many things from the tomes of wisdom in our marble halls, but not how to escape an aggrieved constable.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I like it. But technically, Flavour Text passed before this was proposed, so I believe it needs some flavor text added to it to be valid. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 05:11, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
I would change this to "not greater than their current Sobriety and greater than 0."

Nomic 2/Proposals/Minimum Value

2012-02-01T19:00:34Z

Baf: /* Proposal */

== Proposal ==

Any stat may have a minimum value. By default, the minimum value of every stat is 0. If anything would decrease a stat for a player to less than the stat's minimum value, then that stat for that player will instead become the minimum value, unless a rule specifically makes an exception to this rule, citing it by name.

''I was wearing the worst hat in the world, but I didn't care much, because I couldn't be less sober.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 17:04, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I see no obvious objection to this. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:10, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting comments.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions

2012-02-01T02:23:58Z

Baf: /* Proposed by */

== Proposal ==

Any player may, at will, increase their Experience and decrease their Sobriety by an amount not greater than their current Sobriety.

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting comments.

Nomic 2/Proposals/They'll Regret This

2012-02-01T02:23:26Z

Baf: Created page with "== Proposal == New rule: Whenever a Proposal passes (including this one), the Anger stat of any player who was "in disapproval" of it at the time is increased by 1. == Propose..."

== Proposal ==
New rule:

Whenever a Proposal passes (including this one), the Anger stat of any player who was "in disapproval" of it at the time is increased by 1.

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

This is essentially a companion to Good Job! [[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting comments.

Nomic 2/Proposals

2012-02-01T02:21:59Z

Baf: /* Tentative Proposals and Tentative Proposals */

==Tentative Proposals and Tentative Proposals==
* [[/What Can A Proposal Do Really]] ([[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:01, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/What's Good For The Goose]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:46, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Minimum Value]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 16:55, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:06, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/They'll Regret This]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:21, 31 January 2012 (PST)

==Proposals==

* [[/Voting Brevity]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:39, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Agents of Empire Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:45, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Standing Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:23, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/No Cheating]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:37, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Doug Wins]] --[[User:Doug|Doug]] 12:47, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Unlock the Revolving Doors]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:28, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Is This Your Card?]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:53, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pruning the Garden]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:33, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Enh, Good Enough]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:47, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Flavour Text]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Good Job!]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:58, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Ratified Proposals ==

* [[/Station Identification]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 11:24, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Revolving Door]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/What The Heck Is A Proposal Anyway]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:09, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Clarity Rule]] [[User:Maga|Maga]] 15:30, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Barbarians at the Gates]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:11, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Supermajority Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:28, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pork Belly Politics]] --[[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 10:18, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Basic Voting Procedure]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 12:36, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/All Hands On Deck]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Stats]] --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 16:43, 23 January 2012 (PST)

== Pointless Proposals ==

* [[/The Honest Politician Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:51, 20 January 2012 (PST) (What The Heck made this redundant)

== See Also ==
[[Nomic_2/Rules]]

Nomic 2/Proposals/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions

2012-02-01T02:09:29Z

Baf: /* Proposal Status */

== Proposal ==

Any player may, at will, increase their Experience and decrease their Sobriety by an amount not greater than their current Sobriety.

== Proposed by ==

== Comments ==

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting comments.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions

2012-02-01T02:08:41Z

Baf: Created page with "== Proposal == Any player may, at will, increase their Experience and decrease their Sobriety by an amount not greater than their current Sobriety. == Proposed by == == Comme..."

Nomic 2/Proposals

2012-02-01T02:06:36Z

Baf: /* Tentative Proposals and Tentative Proposals */

==Tentative Proposals and Tentative Proposals==
* [[/What Can A Proposal Do Really]] ([[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:01, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/What's Good For The Goose]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:46, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Minimum Value]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 16:55, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:06, 31 January 2012 (PST)

==Proposals==

* [[/Voting Brevity]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:39, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Agents of Empire Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:45, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Standing Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:23, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/No Cheating]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:37, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Doug Wins]] --[[User:Doug|Doug]] 12:47, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Unlock the Revolving Doors]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:28, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Is This Your Card?]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:53, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pruning the Garden]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:33, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Enh, Good Enough]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:47, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Flavour Text]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Good Job!]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:58, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Ratified Proposals ==

* [[/Station Identification]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 11:24, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Revolving Door]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/What The Heck Is A Proposal Anyway]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:09, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Clarity Rule]] [[User:Maga|Maga]] 15:30, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Barbarians at the Gates]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:11, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Supermajority Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:28, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pork Belly Politics]] --[[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 10:18, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Basic Voting Procedure]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 12:36, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/All Hands On Deck]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Stats]] --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 16:43, 23 January 2012 (PST)

== Pointless Proposals ==

* [[/The Honest Politician Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:51, 20 January 2012 (PST) (What The Heck made this redundant)

== See Also ==
[[Nomic_2/Rules]]

Nomic 2/Proposals/No Cheating

2012-02-01T02:02:32Z

Baf: /* Voting */

== Proposal ==

New Rule: No player may intentionally attempt to maliciously deceive any other player about anything regarding the game.

== Proposed by ==

[[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:40, 20 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* maga: Aye
* <strike>Matthew: No</strike> (but primarily because I think we need to define what "malicious" means in this context)
* vimes: Aye
* olethros: no - Unenforceable
* Baf: no

Nomic 2/Proposals/Unlock the Revolving Doors

2012-02-01T02:01:02Z

Baf: /* Voting */

== Proposal ==

Amend an existing rule: rule 8 shall be modified to read "unanimous agreement or passive consent" instead of "unanimous agreement".

== Voting ==

* vimes: Aye.
* Jota: Aye, if and only if "passive consent" is defined at the time my vote is being measured (otherwise, nay)
* Fang: Aye
* olethros: Aye, what are we, a swiss canton?
* Baf: Aye

== Proposal Status ==

Now accepting votes!

Nomic 2/Proposals/Pruning the Garden

2012-02-01T01:59:47Z

Baf: /* Comments */

== Proposal ==
New Rule:

If a player has been in disapproval of a proposal continuously for four days straight, any player may declare that proposal "dead" by editing its wiki page to indicate this status under a "Proposal Status" heading on the proposal's wiki page.

* At the moment a proposal becomes dead, all players are considered to immediately vote against it (regardless of how they may have previously voted regarding the proposal).
* Any new players added to the game are considered to immediately vote against all dead proposals.
* If, by any means, a player votes in favor of a dead proposal, that player is considered to immediately change their vote to be against it.
* If a proposal is dead, no player is permitted to edit its wiki page in such a way that would make it appear not to be dead.

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:17, 26 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I originally included the "(not counting time elapsed before the adoption of this rule)" bit because I didn't want proposals to become having already been retroactively dead as soon as this passed, but if a player has to actively declare a proposal dead, I guess it's unnecessary. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 13:47, 27 January 2012 (PST)

Seems like this is kind of in conflict with the Supremajority rule, under which having a player in disapproval of a rule for four days straight isn't really an obstacle to passing it. [[User:Baf|Baf]] 17:59, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye

== Proposal Status ==
Open for voting.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Pruning the Garden

2012-02-01T01:59:37Z

Baf: /* Comments */

== Proposal ==
New Rule:

If a player has been in disapproval of a proposal continuously for four days straight, any player may declare that proposal "dead" by editing its wiki page to indicate this status under a "Proposal Status" heading on the proposal's wiki page.

* At the moment a proposal becomes dead, all players are considered to immediately vote against it (regardless of how they may have previously voted regarding the proposal).
* Any new players added to the game are considered to immediately vote against all dead proposals.
* If, by any means, a player votes in favor of a dead proposal, that player is considered to immediately change their vote to be against it.
* If a proposal is dead, no player is permitted to edit its wiki page in such a way that would make it appear not to be dead.

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:17, 26 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I originally included the "(not counting time elapsed before the adoption of this rule)" bit because I didn't want proposals to become having already been retroactively dead as soon as this passed, but if a player has to actively declare a proposal dead, I guess it's unnecessary. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 13:47, 27 January 2012 (PST)

Seems like this is kind of in conflict with the Supremajority rule, under which having a player in disapproval of a rule for four days straight isn't really an obstacle to passing it.

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye

== Proposal Status ==
Open for voting.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Enh, Good Enough

2012-02-01T01:55:46Z

Baf: /* Voting */

== Proposal ==
New Rule:

If a player other than the proposal's submitter has been in approval of a proposal continuously for four days straight, and no player has been in disapproval of it during this period of time, any player may declare that proposal "ascended" by editing its wiki page to indicate this status under a "Proposal Status" heading on the proposal's wiki page.

* At the moment a proposal becomes ascended, all players are considered to immediately vote in favor of it (regardless of how they may have previously voted regarding the proposal).

== Proposed by ==
--[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:46, 26 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I originally included the "(not counting time elapsed before the adoption of this rule)" bit because I didn't want proposals to become having already been retroactively ascended as soon as this passed, but if a player has to actively declare a proposal ascended, I guess it's unnecessary. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 13:48, 27 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye
* Baf: Nay

== Proposal Status ==
Open for voting.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Flavour Text

2012-02-01T01:55:01Z

Baf: /* Voting */

== Proposal ==
NEW RULE:

Each proposal created after this rule is passed shall be accompanied by a passage of 'flavour text', written in italics, of length 1 to 5 sentences. This passage is not considered part of any rules being proposed in the proposal, in terms of governing the behaviour of players. The flavour text also must not directly contradict the flavour text of proposals already passed or else the proposal is invalid. If the proposal contains any rule changes, the flavour text must illustrate at least one of: the need for the rule changes, the context of the rule changes, the consequences of not following the changed rules, the consequences of following the changed rules.

''The archivists of Zuulana were most byzantine in their filing systems, but within the book of 'Nomic, a horrifying story could, with training, be eventually deciphered.''

== Proposed by ==
Fang

== Comments ==

For the narrativists amongst us!

--

I like this. I'll be back to vote in favor of it tomorrow if no one has presented any objections or criticisms of it in the meantime. (The only reason I'm not voting yet is so that Fang can still edit it if anyone else has suggestions.) --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:38, 28 January 2012 (PST)

In favour. --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 12:37, 29 January 2012 (PST)

Aye, in flavour. --[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:15, 30 January 2012 (PST)

This rule at least has some marginal utility--[[User:Olethros|Olethros]] 06:04, 31 January 2012 (PST)

Can the non-narrativists amongst us opt-out? --[[User:Doug|Doug]] 11:34, 31 January 2012 (PST)
: No. :I I guess you can try to game the system by using very sparse and innocuous flavour text, but potentially in the future we might pass proposals that make flavour text more important... Alternatively you might want to propose a seperate class of non-narrative players who don't have to follow narrative-related rules...--[[User:Fang|Fang]] 13:20, 31 January 2012 (PST)
: I am fine with the occasional sparse and innocuous flavour text, personally. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 13:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

I guess it's a bit late to say this, now that it's into voting, but: I'd be happier if it only applied to rule proposals. We also use the proposal and voting system to add players to the game, and may use it for other mechanical functions in the future. But if I need to add a line of flavor text describing the person that I want to invite to the game, I'll do that. [[User:Baf|Baf]] 17:40, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye.
* vimes: Aye.
* olethros: Aye.
* Fang: Aye.
* Baf: Aye.

== Proposal Status ==

Nomic 2/Proposals/Flavour Text

2012-02-01T01:40:54Z

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Nomic 2/Proposals/Minimum Value

2012-02-01T01:25:58Z

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== Proposal ==

Any stat may have a minimum value. By default, the minimum value of every stat is 0. If anything would decrease a stat for a player to less than the stat's minimum value, then that stat for that player will instead become the minimum value, unless a rule specifically makes an exception to this rule, citing it by name.

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 17:04, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I see no obvious objection to this. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:10, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting comments.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Good Job!

2012-02-01T01:10:03Z

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== Proposal ==
New rule:

Whenever a Proposal passes (including this one), the Experience stat of any player who was "in approval" of it at the time is increased by 1.

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:54, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye
* Aye. --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 17:01, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* Baf: Aye

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Minimum Value

2012-02-01T01:06:20Z

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== Proposal ==

New rule:

Stats are not normally allowed to be less than 0. If anything would decrease a stat to less than 0, then that stat will instead become 0, unless a rule specifically makes an exception to this rule, citing it by name.

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 17:04, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

== Voting ==

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting comments.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Good Job!

2012-02-01T01:05:50Z

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== Proposal ==
New rule:

Whenever a Proposal passes (including this one), the Experience stat of any player who was "in approval" of it at the time is increased by 1.

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:54, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

== Voting ==
* Jota
* Aye. --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 17:01, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* Aye.

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Minimum Value

2012-02-01T01:04:41Z

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Nomic 2/Proposals

2012-02-01T00:55:15Z

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==Tentative Proposals and Tentative Proposals==
* [[/What Can A Proposal Do Really]] ([[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:01, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/What's Good For The Goose]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:46, 31 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Minimum Value]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 16:55, 31 January 2012 (PST)

==Proposals==

* [[/Voting Brevity]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:39, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Agents of Empire Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:45, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Standing Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:23, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/No Cheating]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:37, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Doug Wins]] --[[User:Doug|Doug]] 12:47, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Unlock the Revolving Doors]] --[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:28, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Is This Your Card?]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:53, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pruning the Garden]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:33, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Enh, Good Enough]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:47, 26 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Flavour Text]] --[[User:Fang|Fang]] 16:06, 28 January 2012 (PST)

== Ratified Proposals ==

* [[/Station Identification]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 11:24, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Revolving Door]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/What The Heck Is A Proposal Anyway]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:09, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Clarity Rule]] [[User:Maga|Maga]] 15:30, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Barbarians at the Gates]] --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:11, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Supermajority Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:28, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pork Belly Politics]] --[[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 10:18, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Basic Voting Procedure]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 12:36, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/All Hands On Deck]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Stats]] --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 16:43, 23 January 2012 (PST)

== Pointless Proposals ==

* [[/The Honest Politician Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:51, 20 January 2012 (PST) (What The Heck made this redundant)

== See Also ==
[[Nomic_2/Rules]]

Nomic 2/Proposals/Voting Brevity

2012-02-01T00:51:05Z

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Proposal:

Voting on a proposal shall by default be open until 72 hours after the proposal was originally posted. This initial timeframe may be modified at the time the proposal is made by clearly including an alternate closing date in the proposal. Any player who does not explicitly cast a vote during this timeframe will be assumed to have voted "Aye".

Votes:
* vimes: Aye
* Jota: Nay (I'm for this in spirit, but it needs revision, and it also needs What the Heck to pass first)
* Matthew: No, for the reason(s) Jota stated
* olethros: no - what happens when the deadline passes?
* No

Nomic 2/Proposals/Pork Belly Politics

2012-01-31T23:57:53Z

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== Proposal ==

Amend a rule: add a new bullet to section 6 of What the Heck is a Proposal Anyway:
* The proposal itself may not be edited once said vote or other mechanism has occurred. Other sections of the page are not so restricted.

== Voting ==

* vimes: Aye.
* Jota: Aye!
* Doug: Yes
* maga: Aye
* olethros: Aye
* Baf: Aye

== Proposal Status ==

Voting is now open. Really. For real this time.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Stats

2012-01-31T23:43:50Z

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==Proposal==
This proposal creates a new rule:

1) A ''stat'' is a kind of named decimal integer associated with a player.

2) By default, stats start at 0.

3) As stats change, the current stats for each player shall be updated on the page http://inky.org/wiki/index.php?title=Nomic_2/Rules/Stats. Anyone can do this in response to a passed rule or other player action. Stats are considered to be pending, rather than in effect, until they are changed on Rules/Stats.

4) When editing Rules/Stats, a player must change the stats for all players to their correct pending value. After editing, a player should note the actions or rules that have been implemented, to prevent double-edits. Inaccuracies in editing Rules/Stats shall be considered void if pointed out within one week of the inaccurate edit, and returned to the correct current value. Actions and effects found to have been dependent upon inaccurately recorded stats shall be considered void.

5) The initial stats are Experience, Hat Quality, Anger and Sobriety. Every player has one instance of each of these.

==Proposed By==
--[[User:Maga|Maga]] 16:56, 23 January 2012 (PST)
==Voting==
* maga: Aye
* Jota: Aye
* olethros: Aye
* vimes: Aye
* Baf: Aye