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Nomic 2/Proposals/Demiquora

2012-03-06T16:30:20Z

Doug: /* Voting */ No

== Proposal ==
If more than one third of the players have been in approval of a proposal at the same time continuously for four days straight, and no player has been in disapproval of it during this period of time, any player may declare that proposal "ascended" by editing its wiki page to indicate this status under a "Proposal Status" heading on the proposal's wiki page.

*At the moment a proposal becomes ascended, all players are considered to immediately vote in favor of it (regardless of how they may have previously voted regarding the proposal).

''Hariz and Shalma climbed to heaven, not by building a great tower, but by standing upon each other's shoulders, one after the other after the other. For there was no one to tell them they could not.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:00, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
Is this better? --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:00, 1 February 2012 (PST)

Yeah, I think this is more appropriate. That way we are sure that at least a representative sample of players have seen the proposal. --[[User:Olethros|Olethros]] 05:12, 7 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye
* Olethros: AYE
* Doug: No

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals/What's Good For The Goose

2012-03-06T16:29:24Z

Doug: /* Voting */ Yes

== Proposal ==
New Rule:

* Anything that can be done by unanimous agreement of the players can also be done by the agreement of a supermajority of two thirds or more of the players.
* If the rules state that something can be done by a supermajority of two thirds or more of the players, then a proposal to do that thing succeeds when two thirds or more of the players are in approval of it.

''And so it was decided: the hour would be forty minutes and the day sixteen hours. And thus did the moon finally catch up to the sun.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:46, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
This is mainly so that all of our proposals (including adding cards or players or things like that) can be passed the same way. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:46, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye
* olethros: Aye
* Roger: Aye, I like this better than other, similar proposals.
* Doug: Yes

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Some Things Can Only Be Learned By Lowering Your Inhibitions

2012-03-06T16:28:34Z

Doug: /* Voting */ Yes

== Proposal ==

Any player may, at will, increase their Experience and decrease their Sobriety by the same amount. The amount must be a positive integer not greater than their current Sobriety.

''We had learned many things from the tomes of wisdom in our marble halls, but not how to escape an aggrieved constable.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Baf|Baf]] 18:23, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I like it. But technically, Flavour Text passed before this was proposed, so I believe it needs some flavor text added to it to be valid. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 05:11, 1 February 2012 (PST)

Flavor text added. --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 13:03, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

* Roger: Aye, this would appear to be sound.
* Jota: Aye.
* vimes: Aye.
* olethros: Aye, I like stat-moving
* Doug: Yes

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting votes

Nomic 2/Proposals/Busy Shopping

2012-03-06T16:27:43Z

Doug: /* Voting */ Yes

== Proposal ==
Enact a new rule:

* Whenever a proposal is ratified or passes, including this one, the Hat Quality stat of all players who were neither in approval or in disapproval of that proposal at the time it passed is increased by 1.

''"Why ''is'' a raven like a writing desk?"''

== Proposed by ==
--[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:02, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

== Voting ==

* Roger: Aye, I like hats.
* Jota: Nay. I can't in good conscience vote in favor of a rule that discourages voting, alas.
* Nay.
* Baf: Nay. I like the way that, under the current rules, any participation is rewarded with stat increases. Non-participation should not be similarly rewarded.
* Doug: Yes

== Proposal Status ==
Begin mercury-poisoning-induced voting!

Nomic 2/Proposals/Is This Your Card?

2012-03-06T16:26:39Z

Doug: /* Voting */ No

== Proposal ==

New Rule:

:A card has a "suit" and a "rank". A card may be referred to as "[rank] of [suit]".

:* A card's suit is a noun or noun phrase. The plural and singular versions of this noun or noun phrase are considered synonymous when used to refer to a card's suit. If a card has no other suit, then its suit is "tiny ninjas".

:* A card has a "rank". A card's rank is an integer. If a card has no other rank, then its rank is 0. When used to refer to a card's rank, the term "ace" will be considered synonymous with the integer 1, "jack" will be considered synonymous with the integer 11, "queen" will be considered synonymous with the integer 12, "king" will be considered synonymous with the integer 13, and "corknut" will be considered synonymous with the integer 100.

And as a second thing in addition to the above rule:

:That the following cards be added to the deck:
:* the ace of tiny ninjas
:* the 0 of tiny ninjas
:* the negative ace of tiny ninjas
:* the three of clubs
:* the 42 of answers
:* the 20 through 29 of twenties (inclusive, as ten distinct cards)
:* the 17 of random numbers
:* the 17 of clubs
:* the 17 of tiny ninjas
:* the 1 through 13 of diamonds (inclusive, as thirteen distinct cards)
:* the 1 through 13 of sapphires (inclusive, as thirteen distinct cards)
:* the ace of corknuts
:* the seven of corknuts
:* the jack of corknuts
:* the queen of corknuts
:* the king of corknuts
:* the corknut of corknuts
:* the negative corknut of corknuts
:* the corknut of tiny ninjas
:* the twelvety of nonces
:* Mr. Onion
:* Mr. Onion (Sinister)
:* the 0 of spoons
:* THE TWENTY-SIX OF CAPITAL LETTERS

''Four men gathered to play poker, but when the cards were dealt, every one was blank. Somewhere, the Sorcerer laughed.''

== Proposed by ==

[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:51, 24 January 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

Note that, as the rules stand at the time of this comment, this still needs a unanimous vote to pass. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:33, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye
* Roger: Aye, I'll vote for this. I'm not sure what it is, but I like it.
* vimes: Aye.
* <del>maga: Aye.</del>
* olethros: Aye, I trust Jota to have some good use for this.
* Doug: No

== Proposal Status ==

Open for votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals/For Everything There Is A Season

2012-03-06T16:25:34Z

Doug: /* Voting */ yes

== Proposal ==
Four new rules:

* A turn begins at a point in time and ends at a later point in time. A turn belongs to a player.

* The order of turns will be alphabetical by the name of the player whose turn it is, cyclically, so that the first name follows the last. When one turn ends, the next begins immediately unless the game is over.

* A turn action is a kind of thing defined in the rules that a player can do during their turn. A player performs a turn action by editing http://inky.org/wiki/index.php?title=Nomic_2/Turns and adding a line to the bottom of the page describing the action being performed.

* Ending one's turn is a turn action. Ending one's turn causes one's turn to end immediately. If the current turn has been on-going for 72 hours or longer, the player whose turn is next can cause the player whose turn is in progress to end their turn by adding a line to the bottom of http://inky.org/wiki/index.php?title=Nomic_2/Turns indicating that this is happening. If the game ends, any player whose turn is in progress automatically ends their turn immediately.

''So spring followed autumn, summer followed spring, winter followed summer, and autumn followed winter, just as they had for as long as man could remember.''

== Proposed by ==
--[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:25, 1 February 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye
* vimes: Aye
* <del>maga: Aye</del>
* olethros: aye!
* Roger: Aye, I guess.
* Doug: Yes

== Proposal Status ==
Awaiting votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Roger That

2012-02-03T01:25:41Z

Doug: /* Voting */ Yes

== Proposal ==
That Roger be added as a player and that "RogerC" be considered synonymous with "Roger" when referring to said player.

''It is prophesied that King Roger shall die the moment a male heir is conceived, and that he'll be reincarnated as his own son, King Roger II. And thus onward for a hundred generations.''

== Proposed by ==
[[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:16, 2 February 2012 (PST)

== Comments ==
I removed the "Baf: Aye" line because, until I'd added the flavour text, this wasn't a real proposal. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:21, 2 February 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye
* Baf: Aye
* maga: Aye
* Doug: Yes

== Proposal Status ==
Open for votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals/The Supermajority Rule

2012-01-31T19:36:54Z

Doug: /* Votes */ Yes

==Proposal ==

Modifies rule 7: Rules can be changed by a supermajority of two thirds or more of the players.

==Proposed by==
--[[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:30, 20 January 2012 (PST)

==Comments==
My vote in favor of this is under the provision that A) everyone who voted in favor of this before me (I think just baf) confirms explicitly that they accept this as a valid thing to be voted on, and B) everyone who votes on it after me does not explicitly disavow this as a valid thing to be voted on. In the absence of these two provisions, my vote reverts to a Nay. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:53, 28 January 2012 (PST)

==Votes==

* Baf: Aye. The last game never ditched unanimity. I suspect there will be more drama to the game this way.
* Jota: Aye, with the provisions mentioned above under "Comments"
* Fang: Aye
* olethros: Aye
* maga: Aye
* vimes: Aye, why the heck not.
* Doug: Yes, and may God have mercy on our souls.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Flavour Text

2012-01-31T19:34:13Z

Doug: /* Comments */

== Proposal ==
NEW RULE:

Each proposal created after this rule is passed shall be accompanied by a passage of 'flavour text', written in italics, of length 1 to 5 sentences. This passage is not considered part of any rules being proposed in the proposal, in terms of governing the behaviour of players. The flavour text also must not directly contradict the flavour text of proposals already passed or else the proposal is invalid. If the proposal contains any rule changes, the flavour text must illustrate at least one of: the need for the rule changes, the context of the rule changes, the consequences of not following the changed rules, the consequences of following the changed rules.

''The archivists of Zuulana were most byzantine in their filing systems, but within the book of 'Nomic, a horrifying story could, with training, be eventually deciphered.''

== Proposed by ==
Fang

== Comments ==

For the narrativists amongst us!

--

I like this. I'll be back to vote in favor of it tomorrow if no one has presented any objections or criticisms of it in the meantime. (The only reason I'm not voting yet is so that Fang can still edit it if anyone else has suggestions.) --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:38, 28 January 2012 (PST)

In favour. --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 12:37, 29 January 2012 (PST)

Aye, in flavour. --[[Vimes|vimes]] 16:15, 30 January 2012 (PST)

This rule at least has some marginal utility--[[User:Olethros|Olethros]] 06:04, 31 January 2012 (PST)

Can the non-narrativists amongst us opt-out? --[[User:Doug|Doug]] 11:34, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==
* Jota: Aye.
* vimes: Aye.
* olethros: Aye.

== Proposal Status ==

Nomic 2/Proposals/Barbarians at the Gates

2012-01-27T16:39:59Z

Doug: /* Voting */ Yes

== Proposal ==

That Fang and Olethros be added to the set of players, in accordance with Rule 8.

== Proposed by ==

[[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:11, 24 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

* Jota: Aye.
* vimes: Aye.
* Baf: Aye.
* maga: Aye.
* Doug: Yes.

== Proposal Status ==

Actively awaiting votes.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Pork Belly Politics

2012-01-26T18:32:02Z

Doug: Yes

== Proposal ==

Amend a rule: add a new bullet to section 6 of What the Heck is a Proposal Anyway:
* The proposal itself may not be edited once said vote or other mechanism has occurred. Other sections of the page are not so restricted.

== Voting ==

* vimes: Aye.
* Jota: Aye!
* Doug: Yes

== Proposal Status ==

Voting is now open. Really. For real this time.

Nomic 2/Proposals/Clarity Rule

2012-01-26T18:22:00Z

Doug: /* Votes */ Yes

==Proposal==
This proposal enacts a new rule (called the Clarity Rule).

1) A proposal can only alter the meaning of a pre-existing rule (by superseding or repealing parts or all of it, modifying its text, or establishing an authoritative interpretation) if it explicitly mentions that pre-existing rule.

2) If a reference is not made in this way, conflicts between rules shall be resolved, by default, in favour of the older (lower-numbered) rule.

3) If a proposal mentioning existing rules is agreed upon and ratified, references to it will be appended to all rules that it mentions. Any player may perform this action.

==Proposed By==
[[User:Maga|Maga]] 16:32, 20 January 2012 (PST)

==Votes==
* maga: Aye
* Jota: Aye
* vimes: Aye
* Matthew: Yes
* Baf: Aye
* Doug: Yes

Nomic 2/Proposals/What The Heck Is A Proposal Anyway

2012-01-24T20:51:11Z

Doug: /* Voting */

== Proposal ==

This proposal enacts a new rule (named What the Heck is a Proposal Anyway):

* This rule describes a 'proposal'.
*# A proposal is the content entered under a "Proposal" heading on a subpage of http://inky.org/wiki/index.php?title=Nomic_2/Proposals
*# A proposal has some text called the name. The name of a proposal is usually the name of the subpage of the proposal.
*# A rule has some text called the name. The name of a rule is usually "".
*#* If a proposal enacts a rule, the name of that rule is by default the name of the proposal.
*#* If a proposal enacts multiple rules, the name of each rule is by default the name of the proposal followed by " Part " followed by the 1-based index of the position within the proposal of the the rule understood.
*# The text content of a proposal must be entirely on the aforementioned subpage; other content such as images may be linked to from the text content.
*#* As a specific exception, a proposal may make use of an already-extant rule stating that a specific phrase (such as "The Complete Works of William Shakespeare") represents the full text defined in an unambiguous manner or found at an unambiguous location (such as http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/100/pg100.html); when such a rule is in effect, the text content represented by said phrase will be considered to be on the subpage if necessary.
*# All proposal content must be made generally available to the players for discussion and voting (or other mechanisms as appropriate) for a fair and reasonable amount of time to be considered a proposal.
*# A proposal is considered to be the first version of the proposal which receives a vote (or other such mechanism of support or opposition intended to result in the proposal being discarded or being ratified) other than the proposer's, no matter what edits might be made to the page hosting the proposal in the future.
*#* New versions of the proposal may only be made by the proposer or with the proposer's explicit consent.
*# Proposals may only be submitted by players.

== Proposed by ==

[[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:17, 20 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

* vimes: Aye.
* Jota: Aye.
* maga: Aye.
* Baf: After some discussion and clarification of intent on the MUD, aye.
* Doug: Oh, fine.

Nomic 2/Proposals

2012-01-24T20:47:37Z

Doug: /* Proposals */

==Proposals==

* [[/Voting Brevity]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:39, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Agents of Empire Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:45, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Honest Politician Rule]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:51, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/What The Heck Is A Proposal Anyway]] [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:09, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Standing Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:23, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/The Supermajority Rule]] [[User:Fang|Fang]] 12:28, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/No Cheating]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:37, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Clarity Rule]] [[User:Maga|Maga]] 15:30, 20 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/What Can A Proposal Do Really]] ([[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 12:01, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/All Hands On Deck]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 23 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Stats]] --[[User:Maga|Maga]] 16:43, 23 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Pork Belly Politics]] --[[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 10:18, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Basic Voting Procedure]] --[[User:Baf|Baf]] 12:36, 24 January 2012 (PST)
* [[/Doug Wins]] --[[User:Doug|Doug]] 12:47, 24 January 2012 (PST)

== Ratified Proposals ==

* [[/Station Identification]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 11:24, 20 January 2012 (PST))
* [[/Revolving Door]] ([[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 20 January 2012 (PST))

== See Also ==
[[Nomic_2/Rules]]

Nomic 2/Proposals/Doug Wins

2012-01-24T20:47:10Z

Doug: Created page with "== Proposal == The game has ended, with Doug the winner. == Votes == Doug: Yes."

== Proposal ==

The game has ended, with Doug the winner.

== Votes ==

Doug: Yes.

Nomic 2/Proposals/The Agents of Empire Rule

2012-01-23T19:42:52Z

Doug: No

Proposal:

All proposals shall be made as awesome as possible.

Proposed by [[User:Vimes|Vimes]] 11:47, 20 January 2012 (PST)

Votes:

* vimes: Aye
* maga: Aye
* Matthew: Yes
* Doug: No

Nomic 2/Proposals/Station Identification

2012-01-23T19:42:15Z

Doug: Yes

Proposal for a new Rule:

"The Wiki" (case-insensitive) shall refer to the wiki located at http://inky.org/wiki/index.php?title=IfMud_Nomic_2.

Proposed by [[User:Jota|Jota]] 11:27, 20 January 2012 (PST)

Votes:

* Jota: Aye
* vimes: Aye
* Baf: Aye
* maga: Aye
* Matthew: Yes
* Doug: Yes

Nomic 2/Proposals/Revolving Door

2012-01-23T19:41:21Z

Doug: /* Voting */ Yes

== Proposal ==

New Rule: Players may be added to the game by unanimous agreement of the current players. Any player may leave the game at any time by noting their intent to do so clearly and unambiguously at http://inky.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:IfMud_Nomic_2

== Proposed by ==

[[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:25, 20 January 2012 (PST)

== Voting ==

* Jota: Aye
* vimes: Aye
* Baf: Aye
* maga: Aye
* Matthew: Yes
* Doug: Yes

Nomic 2

2012-01-19T19:52:21Z

Doug: added myself to the list

Some ifMUDders once played a game of Nomic via email ([http://www.wurb.com/nomic/02/]). It was fun, even though it eventually petered out rather than finishing up neatly.

But since it was fun, I thought: why not try again? Maybe we'll even see it through to the end this time. And a wiki seems like a good place to do it.

If you're interested, sign up here, right on this page. If there's enough interest, I'll put up some starting rules and we can give it a shot.

(If you need a login for the wiki, inky can set you up with one. Thanks, inky!)

Interested players:

* Jota
* Baf
* Doug