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* '''Build military air units''' - This isn't quite so bad, but it would still take at least two turns and require a non-trivial amount of resources (including a factory). And on top of that, the units wouldn't be able to leave the planet they're built on under their own power. I think this might be a "worst of both worlds" option, personally.
* '''Build military air units''' - This isn't quite so bad, but it would still take at least two turns and require a non-trivial amount of resources (including a factory). And on top of that, the units wouldn't be able to leave the planet they're built on under their own power. I think this might be a "worst of both worlds" option, personally.


* '''Build ground troops''' - We can definitely try to do this. I'm not sure if it's better to build them on Elvis (where the materials we need to build them will be) or to ship the materials to another planet that has Good Military (in order to get the discount for that). On the other hand, will ground troops really be that useful against an invasion from space? Here's one strategy we could use for building them, if inky still allows a PC action to substitute for a factory:
* '''Build ground troops''' - We can definitely try to do this. I'm not sure if it's better to build them on Elvis (where the materials we need to build them will be) or to ship the materials to another planet that has Good Military (in order to get the discount for that). Possibly a combination of both. Here's one strategy we could use for building them, if inky still allows a PC action to substitute for a factory:
** On Turn 12, The Space Whale travels from Boumfadour to Elvis, probably carrying some Kelp or Chemicals for later processing. Elvis cashes in its recipe for making two cheap rank-2 military ground units and also makes two units of rank-3 goods (Tactical MRE's).
** On Turn 13, The Space Whale travels from Boumfadour to Elvis, probably carrying some Kelp or Chemicals for later processing. Elvis cashes in its recipe for making two cheap rank-2 military ground units (which can defend Elvis on Turn 14) and also makes two units of rank-3 goods (Tactical MRE's).
** On Turn 13, The Space Whale takes the Tactical MRE's (and probably Rick unless there's a better choice) to Arroyo. Elvis makes two or three units of rank-2 goods (Energy Weapons) which it turns directly into two or three rank-2 military ground units (which can defend Elvis on Turn 14).  
** On Turn 14, The Space Whale takes the Tactical MRE's (and probably Rick unless there's a better choice) to Arroyo. Elvis makes two or three units of rank-2 goods (Energy Weapons) which it turns directly into two or three rank-2 military ground units (which can defend Elvis on Turn 15).  
** On Turn 14, Rick (or whoever) uses the Tactical MRE's to train three rank-3 military ground units (based on the formula Floor(C/(N+5)) = Floor(3*7/(3+5)) = 2, because of Arroyo's discount for Good Military). They'll be ready to defend Arroyo on Turn 15.
** On Turn 15, Rick (or whoever) uses the Tactical MRE's to train three rank-3 military ground units (based on the formula Floor(C/(N+5)) = Floor(3*7/(3+5)) = 2, because of Arroyo's discount for Good Military). They'll be ready to defend Arroyo on Turn 16.
** On Turn 15, The Space Whale takes one or more of those military ground units to Boumfadour, which they'll be ready to defend on Turn 16.
** On Turn 16, The Space Whale takes one or more of those military ground units to Boumfadour, which they'll be ready to defend on Turn 17.
Note that this all takes some time, and so Dark will probably want to stay on Boumfadour and spend a fate point to defend it himself while waiting for reinforcements to arrive (rather than going to Arroyo in Rick's place).
Note that this all takes some time, and so Dark will probably want to stay on Boumfadour and spend a fate point to defend it himself while waiting for reinforcements to arrive (rather than going to Arroyo in Rick's place). And one big concern we should consider: will ground troops really be that useful against an invasion from space?


* '''Try to steal some space units from the fleet''' - The Gwyne fleet is full of military ships. So we could just try to take some of them. If we have collective testicles the size and hardness of an asteroid made of solid astro-diamond. Maybe someone with elite hacking skills could take control of their computers? Or maybe we could just fly up with one of our current rank-1 fighter ships (like the Thunderchild) and boost its effective rank with the help of a PC and a fate point? Or something?
* '''Try to steal some space units from the fleet''' - The Gwyne fleet is full of military ships. So we could just try to take some of them. If we have collective testicles the size and hardness of an asteroid made of solid astro-diamond. Maybe someone with elite hacking skills could take control of their computers? Or maybe we could just fly up with one of our current rank-1 fighter ships, boost its effective rank with the help of a PC and a fate point, and board the enemy directly? Or something?
** Jude might be able to spend his time in Turn 13 preparing some clever strategy to do this when the portion of the fleet heading towards Elvis arrives there, especially if he has help from the Farlight Institute?
** Jude might be able to spend his time in Turn 13 preparing some clever strategy/devices to do this when the portion of the fleet heading towards Elvis arrives there, especially if he has help from the Farlight Institute.


* '''Take back Vefna''' - This seems like something we should certainly try at some point. If we throw enough military units at it and add in a PC or two using an Adventure action, then we can probably wrest control of the planet back from Gwyne. I am not sure what exactly this would gain us, but I suspect there should be at least some useful stuff there that we can use in the fight. If we're really lucky, they might even have some space military units there that we can take control of. Here's one strategy we could use for the attack:
* '''Take back Vefna''' - This seems like something we should certainly try at some point. If we throw enough military units at it and add in a PC or two using an Adventure action, then we can probably wrest control of the planet back from Gwyne. I am not sure what exactly this would gain us, but I suspect there should be at least some useful stuff there that we can use in the fight. If we're really lucky, they might even have some space military units there that we can take control of. Here's one strategy we could use for the attack:
** On Turn 12, Thunderchild could pick up either the Yowlin' Yoshis or the Fightin' Fighters (or both) and take them to Vefna. Likewise, the Reiglight Revenge could pick up the Foreign Legion and do the same. If Jude so chose, he might go too (if he can use his Vehicles skill for space combat).
** On Turn 13, Thunderchild could pick up either the Yowlin' Yoshis or the Fightin' Fighters (or both) and take them to Vefna. Likewise, the Reiglight Revenge could pick up the Foreign Legion and do the same. If Jude so chose, he might go too (if he can use his Vehicles skill for space combat).
** On Turn 13, they would be able to attack and hopefully take back the planet, with Kyil assisting from the other side.
** On Turn 14, they would be able to attack and hopefully take back the planet, with Kyil assisting from the other side.
This seems like it's got a pretty good chance of success, but the downside is that all the units who go to fight on Vefna won't be available to defend Elvis or Arroyo.
This seems like it's got a pretty good chance of success, but the downside is that all the units who go to fight on Vefna won't be available to defend Elvis or Arroyo.


* '''Something else''' - Any other ideas?
* '''Something else''' - Any other ideas?
Given Dark's military expertise, perhaps he can answer some of the questions we have, like how soon before the Gwyne fleet actually attacks, how useful ground units will be, or how much power we need for an assault on Vefna.


What does everyone else think? [[User:Jota|Jota]] 23:13, 14 August 2011 (PDT)
What does everyone else think? [[User:Jota|Jota]] 23:13, 14 August 2011 (PDT)

Revision as of 11:20, 15 August 2011

Gwyne Fleet

So Gwyne has a fleet coming to attack us. If they move quickly and directly, I believe the soonest they can arrive is the Landing phase of Turn 13, and the soonest they can attack is the Fighting phase of Turn 14. If they move slowly or stop to regroup (after their allies were just swallowed up by the wormhole), we might have a little more time.

What are some of our options for dealing with them, and the pros and cons thereof?

  • Build military space units - This sounds nice in theory, but in practice it would take four turns even to build a rank-1 unit, plus a substantial amount of refined materials. And that doesn't even address the fact that no one has an appropriate factory (although I think a PC action could possibly negate the need for that). I'm not sure if it would be worth it to even try, given that we could be dedicating our resources toward other options.
  • Build military air units - This isn't quite so bad, but it would still take at least two turns and require a non-trivial amount of resources (including a factory). And on top of that, the units wouldn't be able to leave the planet they're built on under their own power. I think this might be a "worst of both worlds" option, personally.
  • Build ground troops - We can definitely try to do this. I'm not sure if it's better to build them on Elvis (where the materials we need to build them will be) or to ship the materials to another planet that has Good Military (in order to get the discount for that). Possibly a combination of both. Here's one strategy we could use for building them, if inky still allows a PC action to substitute for a factory:
    • On Turn 13, The Space Whale travels from Boumfadour to Elvis, probably carrying some Kelp or Chemicals for later processing. Elvis cashes in its recipe for making two cheap rank-2 military ground units (which can defend Elvis on Turn 14) and also makes two units of rank-3 goods (Tactical MRE's).
    • On Turn 14, The Space Whale takes the Tactical MRE's (and probably Rick unless there's a better choice) to Arroyo. Elvis makes two or three units of rank-2 goods (Energy Weapons) which it turns directly into two or three rank-2 military ground units (which can defend Elvis on Turn 15).
    • On Turn 15, Rick (or whoever) uses the Tactical MRE's to train three rank-3 military ground units (based on the formula Floor(C/(N+5)) = Floor(3*7/(3+5)) = 2, because of Arroyo's discount for Good Military). They'll be ready to defend Arroyo on Turn 16.
    • On Turn 16, The Space Whale takes one or more of those military ground units to Boumfadour, which they'll be ready to defend on Turn 17.

Note that this all takes some time, and so Dark will probably want to stay on Boumfadour and spend a fate point to defend it himself while waiting for reinforcements to arrive (rather than going to Arroyo in Rick's place). And one big concern we should consider: will ground troops really be that useful against an invasion from space?

  • Try to steal some space units from the fleet - The Gwyne fleet is full of military ships. So we could just try to take some of them. If we have collective testicles the size and hardness of an asteroid made of solid astro-diamond. Maybe someone with elite hacking skills could take control of their computers? Or maybe we could just fly up with one of our current rank-1 fighter ships, boost its effective rank with the help of a PC and a fate point, and board the enemy directly? Or something?
    • Jude might be able to spend his time in Turn 13 preparing some clever strategy/devices to do this when the portion of the fleet heading towards Elvis arrives there, especially if he has help from the Farlight Institute.
  • Take back Vefna - This seems like something we should certainly try at some point. If we throw enough military units at it and add in a PC or two using an Adventure action, then we can probably wrest control of the planet back from Gwyne. I am not sure what exactly this would gain us, but I suspect there should be at least some useful stuff there that we can use in the fight. If we're really lucky, they might even have some space military units there that we can take control of. Here's one strategy we could use for the attack:
    • On Turn 13, Thunderchild could pick up either the Yowlin' Yoshis or the Fightin' Fighters (or both) and take them to Vefna. Likewise, the Reiglight Revenge could pick up the Foreign Legion and do the same. If Jude so chose, he might go too (if he can use his Vehicles skill for space combat).
    • On Turn 14, they would be able to attack and hopefully take back the planet, with Kyil assisting from the other side.

This seems like it's got a pretty good chance of success, but the downside is that all the units who go to fight on Vefna won't be available to defend Elvis or Arroyo.

  • Something else - Any other ideas?

Given Dark's military expertise, perhaps he can answer some of the questions we have, like how soon before the Gwyne fleet actually attacks, how useful ground units will be, or how much power we need for an assault on Vefna.

What does everyone else think? Jota 23:13, 14 August 2011 (PDT)